In this eye-opening episode of Count Me In, host Adam Larson sits down with fraud expert Rich Brody for a candid conversation about white collar and red collar crimes—no jargon, just real talk. Rich breaks down what actually counts as white collar crime, why society often overlooks its victims, and what happens when these crimes turn violent. From legendary cases like Madoff and Murdoch to the surprising ways technology has changed the game, this episode covers the impact of fraud in today’s world. Plus, Rich shares practical tips for protecting yourself and your organization. If you’re curious about the under-the-radar crimes that really shake up people’s lives, this episode is a must-listen.

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